1 00:00:00,469 --> 00:00:02,887 A lot of people believe 2 00:00:03,027 --> 00:00:06,006 that the things I talk about 3 00:00:07,339 --> 00:00:10,155 had been talked about in the past. 4 00:00:10,809 --> 00:00:13,630 When I was a member of 'Technocracy' 5 00:00:13,774 --> 00:00:17,570 they said they had blueprints for the future. 6 00:00:17,783 --> 00:00:20,861 I never saw any. I asked to see them. 7 00:00:21,355 --> 00:00:24,030 The only blueprint they had was a rough [outline] 8 00:00:24,167 --> 00:00:28,310 on the continental hydrology, irrigation 9 00:00:28,587 --> 00:00:31,801 but no real detail on it. 10 00:00:31,941 --> 00:00:37,077 How the lift locks work on the canal or anything. 11 00:00:37,527 --> 00:00:41,529 I asked Scott how he felt about circular cities. 12 00:00:41,895 --> 00:00:45,071 He said "No, I believe in linear cities." 13 00:00:45,668 --> 00:00:50,258 And he did not question "Why circular cities?" 14 00:00:50,429 --> 00:00:53,644 He just told me that we're going to use linear cities: 15 00:00:54,316 --> 00:00:56,554 cities in a line. 16 00:00:56,932 --> 00:01:00,836 If you start here and you go through the whole city 17 00:01:01,249 --> 00:01:03,570 you have to go back to where you started from. 18 00:01:04,048 --> 00:01:06,910 In the circular arrangement, if you go around 19 00:01:07,054 --> 00:01:11,148 you come back to where you started. You don't need to go back 20 00:01:11,294 --> 00:01:13,361 and your car is there. 21 00:01:13,678 --> 00:01:17,945 In a circular plan, or distribution center 22 00:01:18,245 --> 00:01:20,585 there are areas marked: 23 00:01:21,098 --> 00:01:25,365 refrigeration, air conditioning, whatever it is; and you park your car 24 00:01:25,521 --> 00:01:29,613 adjacent to that, instead of just parking in a big parking lot. 25 00:01:29,894 --> 00:01:32,509 You have to then walk over to the shoe department 26 00:01:32,653 --> 00:01:34,886 or the eyeglass department. 27 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:38,349 This way it's marked on the outside of the circle what's in there. 28 00:01:38,493 --> 00:01:41,505 So you park adjacent to that area. 29 00:01:41,661 --> 00:01:44,611 If more people use the food shopping area 30 00:01:44,761 --> 00:01:47,824 there's a larger parking area for that. 31 00:01:47,980 --> 00:01:49,961 But the only way to find out is: 32 00:01:50,101 --> 00:01:53,276 how many people a day go to the food area? 33 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:57,188 What percentage go to the eyeglass area? 34 00:01:57,328 --> 00:02:03,466 So the parking areas are based on that, not Fresco's decision. 35 00:02:04,248 --> 00:02:07,220 What people have to understand 36 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:10,117 is how statistics are gathered; 37 00:02:10,796 --> 00:02:15,581 how they're decided upon, and that's by the behavior of people. 38 00:02:15,843 --> 00:02:18,365 If most people go to the childrens' center 39 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:21,032 that has the largest parking area. 40 00:02:21,183 --> 00:02:24,482 If, later on, the schools become more efficient 41 00:02:24,626 --> 00:02:28,176 they work with less students at a time. 42 00:02:28,352 --> 00:02:32,337 The optimum amount of students depends on their age. 43 00:02:32,477 --> 00:02:36,356 The older people get, the more they understand if they're exposed. 44 00:02:36,713 --> 00:02:40,195 But children... You take a lot of children 45 00:02:40,351 --> 00:02:44,239 and you talk to them like I'm talking to you 46 00:02:44,477 --> 00:02:47,322 and you get feedback from the children. 47 00:02:47,597 --> 00:02:50,062 The kind of feedback you get from the children 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,328 determines how many children you can effectively change 49 00:02:54,472 --> 00:02:56,531 within the given time. 50 00:02:56,671 --> 00:03:01,744 If you find out that you should have no more than 15 kids at a time 51 00:03:02,035 --> 00:03:05,176 depending on how sophisticated the subject is 52 00:03:05,339 --> 00:03:08,465 you have to try it and find out how it works. 53 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:11,501 And then when you write your conclusions 54 00:03:11,658 --> 00:03:14,899 you say "In the system that I use 55 00:03:15,055 --> 00:03:18,296 a certain number of children seem to learn faster. 56 00:03:18,808 --> 00:03:22,102 I haven't tried 17 different systems yet. 57 00:03:22,264 --> 00:03:26,190 There may be other conclusions. We welcome them." 58 00:03:27,172 --> 00:03:29,619 (Roxanne) To me, to summarize this, it's saying 59 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:33,365 "Why don't you give your technology away today?" 60 00:03:33,499 --> 00:03:36,913 I'm giving you everything I think they need 61 00:03:37,101 --> 00:03:39,916 to make this jump. 62 00:03:40,669 --> 00:03:44,347 Now they ask "Why don't you give your ideas away 63 00:03:44,485 --> 00:03:47,190 and make them available? After all 64 00:03:47,334 --> 00:03:50,325 what you're trying to do is make the world a better place; 65 00:03:50,469 --> 00:03:53,036 so if you choose, just give your ideas away." 66 00:03:53,176 --> 00:03:55,607 If I design a round city 67 00:03:55,751 --> 00:03:59,280 and I gave it away, it'll be a commercial city. 68 00:03:59,430 --> 00:04:03,634 You couldn't move in unless you pay so much a week. 69 00:04:03,831 --> 00:04:07,203 See, like there's so many dentists in that city 70 00:04:07,354 --> 00:04:11,271 so many barbers not a whole bunch of barbers 71 00:04:11,424 --> 00:04:15,037 the amount of barbers needed to take care of that city. 72 00:04:15,206 --> 00:04:18,246 But they will rent it out at a high price 73 00:04:18,397 --> 00:04:22,010 because opening a restaurant in that city is a sure thing 74 00:04:22,157 --> 00:04:26,102 because there's 5,000 people. Do you understand? 75 00:04:26,252 --> 00:04:29,486 So it becomes commercial and damaged. 76 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:33,186 They say "Well, what about the good that it does?" 77 00:04:33,336 --> 00:04:37,090 Well, let's take a helicopter. It could be used as an ambulance 78 00:04:37,309 --> 00:04:40,021 or for machine-gunning people. 79 00:04:40,221 --> 00:04:43,080 Most helicopters are used for military purposes; 80 00:04:43,224 --> 00:04:45,542 machine-gunning people. 81 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:49,795 The laser beam can be used to diminish the effects of 82 00:04:49,938 --> 00:04:52,256 optical disorders. 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,741 I mean, ophthalmology. 84 00:04:55,929 --> 00:04:59,477 Lasers can be used in surgery. 85 00:04:59,959 --> 00:05:02,571 They can also be connected to weapons. 86 00:05:02,721 --> 00:05:06,400 If the laser beam is on the person, the bullets come out. 87 00:05:06,972 --> 00:05:10,724 We have no evidence to support ideas 88 00:05:10,867 --> 00:05:13,348 that were put out there for free. 89 00:05:13,492 --> 00:05:17,824 And there are people who say "Well, Fresco really doesn't believe in 90 00:05:17,968 --> 00:05:20,611 having his name put out there." 91 00:05:20,755 --> 00:05:23,039 I do when it comes to a book that I wrote. 92 00:05:23,183 --> 00:05:26,668 If people ask me questions, I can answer them. 93 00:05:26,837 --> 00:05:29,752 But if another guy copies my book 94 00:05:29,908 --> 00:05:32,899 word for word and 95 00:05:33,286 --> 00:05:35,786 he gets a credit for that; 96 00:05:35,923 --> 00:05:39,270 and people ask him "What do you do about this or about that?" 97 00:05:39,485 --> 00:05:44,302 They don't have that kind of background. They can't answer questions. 98 00:05:44,584 --> 00:05:47,637 But if you check with history, not Fresco 99 00:05:47,793 --> 00:05:50,696 you'll find that Louis Pasteur 100 00:05:50,837 --> 00:05:55,726 recommended vaccination. It never was a team of scientists. 101 00:05:56,193 --> 00:05:58,283 You find that the Wright brothers 102 00:05:58,423 --> 00:06:01,952 really developed the first powered flying machine. 103 00:06:02,233 --> 00:06:04,773 So you can go and write to the Wright brothers and say 104 00:06:04,904 --> 00:06:07,613 "How do you make your propeller? 105 00:06:07,757 --> 00:06:12,112 How much pitch does it have?" Only they know because they made it. 106 00:06:12,744 --> 00:06:15,046 You have to go to Edison, saying 107 00:06:15,190 --> 00:06:19,144 "How do you know how much of a vacuum to put in a glass lamp? 108 00:06:19,476 --> 00:06:22,379 How do you decide the elements you use?" 109 00:06:22,523 --> 00:06:26,245 You have to have to go to Edison. The gas company can't tell you that. 110 00:06:26,461 --> 00:06:29,686 When I was a kid there were people who went around the streets 111 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:33,739 lighting the gas lamps that were all along the street. 112 00:06:33,896 --> 00:06:38,484 He was a lighter, with a long pole, and he lit those lamps. 113 00:06:38,778 --> 00:06:41,785 Then, when Edison's system came out 114 00:06:41,922 --> 00:06:45,301 he had to instruct people as to how it worked. 115 00:06:45,713 --> 00:06:51,211 When Tesla invented the Tesla Coil, he had to instruct people. 116 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,514 But if another guy lifted it 117 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:57,778 and he says "What's the resistance of the wires in that?" 118 00:06:57,922 --> 00:07:00,678 They didn't know, only Tesla knew. 119 00:07:01,316 --> 00:07:03,637 So it seems that in history 120 00:07:03,781 --> 00:07:06,918 Einstein's theory of relativity 121 00:07:07,406 --> 00:07:11,010 Pasteur, Darwin's theory of evolution 122 00:07:11,598 --> 00:07:14,479 as against a religious concept. 123 00:07:14,748 --> 00:07:18,980 Is it perfect? No. But it's a hell of a lot greater. 124 00:07:19,237 --> 00:07:21,427 And Darwin spent many years 125 00:07:21,565 --> 00:07:23,754 trying to put this stuff together. 126 00:07:24,136 --> 00:07:28,691 I'm not against teaching people physics and science. That's fine. 127 00:07:28,891 --> 00:07:32,063 That's the elements for putting things together. 128 00:07:32,382 --> 00:07:34,960 The books that I read by other people 129 00:07:35,417 --> 00:07:40,633 did not have all the answers. Semantics never touched the social system. 130 00:07:40,821 --> 00:07:43,086 Jacques Loeb informed us 131 00:07:43,223 --> 00:07:47,806 a great deal about plant tropism, geotropism 132 00:07:48,025 --> 00:07:50,784 all these things that we knew little about 133 00:07:51,150 --> 00:07:54,153 but Jacques Loeb was associated with it. 134 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:57,713 So when you have the nuclear program 135 00:07:57,999 --> 00:08:02,925 to develop the atom bomb, there were always people in charge 136 00:08:03,225 --> 00:08:08,643 like Oppenheimer; he was in charge of nuclear research. 137 00:08:08,918 --> 00:08:13,349 Einstein's formula helped in nuclear research. 138 00:08:13,618 --> 00:08:18,425 There were many lead scientists that directed that. 139 00:08:18,626 --> 00:08:22,519 When you went to Germany, you'd find Wernher Von Braun 140 00:08:22,659 --> 00:08:24,792 as head of rocketry. 141 00:08:24,936 --> 00:08:28,170 Why was he head? Because others didn't experiment. 142 00:08:28,314 --> 00:08:33,428 He experimented before it became necessary to build rockets. 143 00:08:33,647 --> 00:08:36,763 He belonged to a young German group 144 00:08:36,913 --> 00:08:39,311 in which they experimented with rockets. 145 00:08:39,455 --> 00:08:42,430 When Hitler got in, Hitler backed him. 146 00:08:42,574 --> 00:08:46,760 But Wernher Von Braun had to educate 147 00:08:46,897 --> 00:08:50,191 all the scientists that knew nothing about rockets. 148 00:08:50,334 --> 00:08:55,824 Where did he get the ideas from? Dirty, hard work, with no financing. 149 00:08:56,214 --> 00:08:59,216 There was an American scientist named Goddard 150 00:08:59,373 --> 00:09:02,620 who spent his own money on rocket development 151 00:09:02,904 --> 00:09:06,170 and he was able to get rockets to go up a mile high 152 00:09:06,326 --> 00:09:09,398 and people thought he was a dreamer. 153 00:09:09,707 --> 00:09:14,825 And he said "If I talked about rockets in the scientific community 154 00:09:15,163 --> 00:09:19,636 I was looked upon as a foolish person 155 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,606 who was not practical." Do you understand? 156 00:09:22,744 --> 00:09:26,367 Are scientists the prime judge of things? 157 00:09:26,601 --> 00:09:29,179 No, they're not. You have to ask Goddard 158 00:09:29,322 --> 00:09:31,946 "How do you make your fuel combust?" 159 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:34,532 In other words, when you launch a rocket 160 00:09:34,675 --> 00:09:39,251 with, say, 20 pounds of propellant 161 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,976 you're lifting that 20 pounds of propellant up there. 162 00:09:43,151 --> 00:09:48,196 So the theory of rockets is to burn all the fuel you can 163 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:52,914 and get the most propulsion, so you're not lifting up the fuel too. 164 00:09:53,126 --> 00:09:56,877 If you fill to your car with gasoline to get to California 165 00:09:57,021 --> 00:10:01,017 you're not going to get as many miles as by filling it as you go. 166 00:10:01,230 --> 00:10:03,685 Otherwise, you're carrying the gasoline with you. 167 00:10:03,825 --> 00:10:07,608 Somebody who found that out, we should know who he is 168 00:10:07,752 --> 00:10:10,912 so we could question him. But 169 00:10:11,059 --> 00:10:14,672 what happens is, it appears, that 170 00:10:15,154 --> 00:10:18,679 some members of The Zeitgeist Movement 171 00:10:18,836 --> 00:10:21,979 and The Venus Project think that Fresco 172 00:10:22,117 --> 00:10:24,823 picked up all these ideas from books. No, he didn't. 173 00:10:25,227 --> 00:10:29,656 He worked his ass off, compiling bits of information 174 00:10:29,812 --> 00:10:32,309 and taking out the inconsistencies. 175 00:10:32,637 --> 00:10:36,466 Now, people come along and they say (like some people do) 176 00:10:36,603 --> 00:10:40,395 they quote all the different things of The Venus Project 177 00:10:40,551 --> 00:10:42,935 and do not quote the source. 178 00:10:43,073 --> 00:10:47,421 So they get the applause, and they get the approval 179 00:10:47,565 --> 00:10:50,502 but they've done nothing to arrive at these ideas 180 00:10:50,649 --> 00:10:53,930 and then they tell me to give out ideas. 181 00:10:54,099 --> 00:10:57,759 Did they give out ideas? Did they make any contributions? 182 00:10:57,953 --> 00:11:02,049 Did they sponsor me in the 40 years of work? 183 00:11:02,211 --> 00:11:06,487 I had to pay for that myself, just like Goddard had to pay for it. 184 00:11:06,725 --> 00:11:10,851 If they finance the books and publishing, sure I'd give them away. 185 00:11:10,995 --> 00:11:13,404 It belongs to the public domain 186 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:16,144 but we don't live in that kind of a world now. 187 00:11:16,294 --> 00:11:18,991 So laser beams are used on machine guns. 188 00:11:19,232 --> 00:11:23,393 When the beam is on the person, or on the airplane, the bullets come out. 189 00:11:23,657 --> 00:11:27,889 When it's not, they don't come out. Somebody developed that. 190 00:11:28,083 --> 00:11:30,774 And the reason they took a patent out on it is because other people 191 00:11:30,917 --> 00:11:34,171 would take patent on it, if they talked to them about it. 192 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:37,471 And they would not get paid for their research. 193 00:11:37,646 --> 00:11:41,475 It may take 10 years to develop a laser. 194 00:11:41,989 --> 00:11:44,544 If you develop a laser and give it to people 195 00:11:44,694 --> 00:11:47,209 you don't know what they're going to do with it. 196 00:11:47,347 --> 00:11:50,004 You have no guarantee, and the guy that invents it 197 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:53,760 doesn't care what they do with it, as long as he gets paid for it. 198 00:11:53,916 --> 00:11:56,603 People don't care if Hitler used helicopters 199 00:11:56,747 --> 00:11:59,103 to bomb cities or as ambulances. 200 00:11:59,414 --> 00:12:01,976 I prefer that they be used for ambulances 201 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,730 or for surveying, aerial surveyors of farm equipment 202 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,931 and diseased plants. 203 00:12:09,063 --> 00:12:12,535 It isn't so much the knowledge that science offers 204 00:12:12,807 --> 00:12:15,698 it's how it's used. 205 00:12:16,179 --> 00:12:18,613 A lot of people get mad at technology 206 00:12:18,822 --> 00:12:21,362 but it's not the technology they're really mad at. 207 00:12:21,507 --> 00:12:24,675 They don't know what they're mad at. What they're mad at 208 00:12:24,819 --> 00:12:28,728 is the abuse and misuse of technology. 209 00:12:28,997 --> 00:12:33,446 So if I put the ideas out there, and people sign an agreement 210 00:12:33,602 --> 00:12:36,186 that those ideas will not be used for weapons 211 00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:39,722 and they'll not be put in the public domain 212 00:12:39,866 --> 00:12:44,042 only amongst those that are building The Venus Project; 213 00:12:44,217 --> 00:12:47,686 otherwise, it will go off in different directions. 214 00:12:47,961 --> 00:12:51,489 So, the invention of the airplane 215 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:55,564 is a wonderful thing. It could be used to move passengers faster 216 00:12:55,702 --> 00:12:57,966 from one area to another. 217 00:12:58,104 --> 00:13:00,950 But they can also be used to carry bombs. 218 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:05,248 Their use depends on the leadership of the country. 219 00:13:05,411 --> 00:13:07,460 I don't know the leadership 220 00:13:07,604 --> 00:13:10,463 that would pick up ideas that you just put out there. 221 00:13:10,606 --> 00:13:13,021 Would they be used for the public good? 222 00:13:13,164 --> 00:13:16,395 The doctor that told other doctors to wash their hands 223 00:13:16,545 --> 00:13:18,917 before they did surgery 224 00:13:19,067 --> 00:13:21,579 due to childbirth fever 225 00:13:21,729 --> 00:13:24,331 he was kicked out of the hospital 226 00:13:24,513 --> 00:13:27,833 because other doctors knew that they couldn't see germs 227 00:13:27,977 --> 00:13:30,050 and they thought it was a theory. 228 00:13:30,194 --> 00:13:33,711 The guy that found germs was a millinery man. 229 00:13:33,855 --> 00:13:37,462 He worked with fabric and he noticed germs under a microscope. 230 00:13:37,735 --> 00:13:42,071 It wasn't a scientist who found germs, but the man's name 231 00:13:42,221 --> 00:13:46,895 is out there, in all the books on where the microscope came from. 232 00:13:47,655 --> 00:13:50,276 If you don't know where the microscope came from 233 00:13:50,408 --> 00:13:52,563 you don't know which questions to ask. 234 00:13:52,694 --> 00:13:54,740 The guy that invented the microscope would be asked 235 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,449 "How did you think of it? Where did you get the idea?" 236 00:13:57,593 --> 00:14:00,989 Well, the public doesn't know that. If you get up and say 237 00:14:01,146 --> 00:14:03,799 "There are wonderful instruments, x-ray machines. 238 00:14:03,967 --> 00:14:08,537 We don't need to cut the body open. We can use fiber optics. 239 00:14:08,687 --> 00:14:11,863 Light pipes to see cancer..." 240 00:14:12,006 --> 00:14:16,167 But if you give it to people, they don't use it appropriately. 241 00:14:16,570 --> 00:14:20,455 They use it for profit. If you don't understand that 242 00:14:20,599 --> 00:14:25,015 look at the earnings today of the large corporations 243 00:14:25,209 --> 00:14:30,540 that work for profit. They don't work for the betterment of humanity. 244 00:14:30,771 --> 00:14:33,125 Doctors are supposed to take care of people. 245 00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:36,634 That's part of the oath, as you become a doctor. 246 00:14:36,789 --> 00:14:39,952 But if you can't afford certain things, you don't get it. 247 00:14:40,341 --> 00:14:43,669 I'm talking of socialized medicine 248 00:14:43,819 --> 00:14:48,905 or making medical procedures available to everyone. 249 00:14:49,315 --> 00:14:51,874 The doctor says "How am I going to make a living 250 00:14:52,011 --> 00:14:55,528 if I make it available?" He's trapped in this system! 251 00:14:55,696 --> 00:14:59,155 He has to charge [money] because he has to pay for things. 252 00:14:59,325 --> 00:15:02,478 The doctor has to pay for all the electronic equipment 253 00:15:02,628 --> 00:15:05,293 he uses in his office. 254 00:15:06,786 --> 00:15:10,008 Hospitals have to buy materials 255 00:15:10,152 --> 00:15:13,210 and they have to pay a contractor to put up a building. 256 00:15:13,354 --> 00:15:17,164 They don't put a building where the guy's going to treat people. 257 00:15:17,327 --> 00:15:22,010 So, they put up a building, then they think of all the staff working there 258 00:15:22,157 --> 00:15:25,088 and the people that invested in putting up the building: 259 00:15:25,232 --> 00:15:29,267 there are people that invest, and they put up the money for a return 260 00:15:30,368 --> 00:15:33,606 on their investment. You've got to understand 261 00:15:33,762 --> 00:15:36,855 that that is a predatory system 262 00:15:36,993 --> 00:15:41,116 where everybody makes money on any human disorder.